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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Importing the page from https://gitlab.com/HaraldG/waste-as-fertilizer&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;The most important nutrient in urine is nitrogen (N) followed by&lt;br /&gt;
phosphorus (P) and then potassium (K). Other nutrients are contained&lt;br /&gt;
in small quantities only and there are other substances like sodium&lt;br /&gt;
and chloride, that are not considered nutrients, but still can impact&lt;br /&gt;
plants positively or negatively.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The actual concentration of nutrients depends on many factors. These&lt;br /&gt;
values (based on a western vegetarian diet) give some basic orientation:&lt;br /&gt;
* nitrogen: 300 mmol/l - in terms of ammonia this would be 5.1 g/l.&lt;br /&gt;
* phosphorus: 10 mmol/l - in terms of P2O5 this would be 0.73 g/l. (In terms of PO4 this would be 0.95 g/l.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Using the right quantity ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Depending on the crop, there are big differences in how much of which&lt;br /&gt;
nutrient it needs. E.g. pumpkins need huge amounts of nitrogen, while&lt;br /&gt;
peanuts (and all peas actually) need very little nitrogen but still&lt;br /&gt;
need phosphorus.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Just as too much water can drown plants, too many nutrients can also&lt;br /&gt;
be harmful. Besides being wasteful and a source of pollution overuse&lt;br /&gt;
of any fertilizer can actually reduce the harvest. This is called&lt;br /&gt;
fertilizer poisoning.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The nutrient requirement depends on the local climate and the crop&lt;br /&gt;
variety used. In many countries the government or some farmers&lt;br /&gt;
association provide recommendations including during which phases&lt;br /&gt;
of crop growth fertilizer should be applied. Data from other&lt;br /&gt;
countries might be used as rough first estimate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There are some methods, to get an rough estimate yourself or to&lt;br /&gt;
fine tune an existing estimate:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Circularity theory ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most nutrients can not be created or truly destroyed. Any phosphorus&lt;br /&gt;
in a plant will end up as part of a humans body or urine, after the&lt;br /&gt;
plant is eaten. When urine is applied to the soil, the phosphorus&lt;br /&gt;
will enter the soil and remain there until taken up by a plant or&lt;br /&gt;
washed away be the rain or blown away by the wind.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the long term a field of a size, that can feed one human, should&lt;br /&gt;
also get the urine of one human to maintain its nutrients.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Three patches method ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Let&amp;#039;s say one has an estimate, how much fertilizer might be appropriate.&lt;br /&gt;
This method allows to verify and fine tune the estimate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pick a uniform (same soil, shadow etc) test field and plant it uniformly:&lt;br /&gt;
same density and crop mix. Then divide the field into three areas of about&lt;br /&gt;
equal size. In the first area little or even no fertilizer is used. In&lt;br /&gt;
the second area some low estimate is used - and in the third area some high&lt;br /&gt;
estimate. Also the areas should be picked in a way so that the seconds&lt;br /&gt;
area provides a buffer between the first and the third.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If some area performs clearly better than the other, then this gives the&lt;br /&gt;
new estimate. If several areas perform the same, then the area where less&lt;br /&gt;
fertilizer was used gives the new estimate. If the new estimate is&lt;br /&gt;
different from the old one, then the process should be repeated with the&lt;br /&gt;
new estimate on a new field.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is also possible to test for two different fertilizers at the same time.&lt;br /&gt;
(Could be fresh urine and urine sludge, or compost and urine, or urine and&lt;br /&gt;
ash, or anything really.) In this case areas are arranged in a cross pattern:&lt;br /&gt;
Three areas for the first fertilizer in one direction and on top of that&lt;br /&gt;
three areas for the second fertilizer given nine areas in total.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When one is very unsure about the initial estimate of fertilizer demand,&lt;br /&gt;
using four areas instead of three might help: In this case the first area&lt;br /&gt;
gets not fertilizer at all and acts as reference. The third area gets the&lt;br /&gt;
estimated fertilizer, while the second area gets half and the fourth area&lt;br /&gt;
gets double the estimate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is one thing to look out for: If the test field has very poor&lt;br /&gt;
soil that hasn&amp;#039;t seen enough fertilizer in a long time, then this method&lt;br /&gt;
might give to high fertilizer estimates. This is, because part of the&lt;br /&gt;
fertilizer is used up regenerating the soil and not everything is&lt;br /&gt;
available for plants. When one suspects this to be the case, then the&lt;br /&gt;
method can be repeated on the same test field with the next crop in the&lt;br /&gt;
rotation and the areas arranged in a cross pattern like discussed above.&lt;br /&gt;
That way the influence of the previous years fertilizer application on&lt;br /&gt;
the current years demand can be investigated.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== What in the soil happens: The mobility of nutrients and substances ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Plants don&amp;#039;t pick up all available nutrients at once. Rather they draw&lt;br /&gt;
nutrients from the soil as they grow. Therefore the soil has to store&lt;br /&gt;
the nutrients until they are needed. There are big differences how&lt;br /&gt;
much of each nutrient a soil can store.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Putting more nutrients into the soil than it can store, usually gets&lt;br /&gt;
them lost. If there is excess, that can&amp;#039;t get lost quickly, it is likely&lt;br /&gt;
to harm the plants. Some plants (like tomatoes) are more resistant to&lt;br /&gt;
excess fertilizer then others.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Loss usually happens either via washing out or evaporating. The speed&lt;br /&gt;
of washing out is related to the so called &amp;quot;soil mobility&amp;quot; of a substance.&lt;br /&gt;
That is: If water moves one meter in the soil - how far does the substance&lt;br /&gt;
move at the same time. That is: How much does the substance &amp;quot;stick&amp;quot; to the&lt;br /&gt;
soil?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Information about important nutrients or substances:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Nitrogen ===&lt;br /&gt;
At the time of application urine usually contains nitrogen in the form of&lt;br /&gt;
ammonia. Ammonia is a gas - albeit with good solubility in water. If the&lt;br /&gt;
soil is too dry, ammonia will just evaporate and get lost that way.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ammonia has medium mobility in soil. What ammonia isn&amp;#039;t picked up by&lt;br /&gt;
plants or soil micro-organisms in a few days, is converted into nitrate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nitrate is also a viable as nitrogen source for plants. It has the&lt;br /&gt;
advantage that it does not evaporate, but also has medium mobility in&lt;br /&gt;
soil. Also it acts like a salt and thus easily harms plants in higher&lt;br /&gt;
concentrations.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Phosphorus ===&lt;br /&gt;
Phosphorus has rather low soil mobility. With many soils it builds solid&lt;br /&gt;
particles, which reduces mobility even further and reduces the&lt;br /&gt;
availability of free phosphorus for plants. This means, that plant pick&lt;br /&gt;
up phosphorus only slowly and phosphorus poisoning is unlikely to happen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Anything can be too much, but with urine nitrogen poisoning usually&lt;br /&gt;
occurs long before phosphorus becomes a problem.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Potassium ===&lt;br /&gt;
Potassium has rather high soil mobility. Any potassium that can&amp;#039;t be used&lt;br /&gt;
by plants immediately is quickly washed away and thus lost.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Sodium and Chloride ===&lt;br /&gt;
They are not considered nutrients, but present in urine in rather high&lt;br /&gt;
quantities from edible salt. Since they both have very high soil&lt;br /&gt;
mobility, so that concentrations shouldn&amp;#039;t build up. Some plants (tomatoes&lt;br /&gt;
are a well known example) are quite resistant to chloride and might even&lt;br /&gt;
gain a good taste from it. Most crops are at least somewhat resistant, so&lt;br /&gt;
there rarely are problems. But some crops (e.g. grapes) are very&lt;br /&gt;
intolerant to chloride and should only be fertilized with specially&lt;br /&gt;
processed urine.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Applying the urine ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The most important consideration is: Ammonia easily gets lost by&lt;br /&gt;
evaporation. There are several tricks to avoid this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Ideally the soil is already somewhat humid (but not wet) before distributing the urine.&lt;br /&gt;
* The urine should be put directly onto the soil instead of touching the leaves of plants. Anything that sticks to the leaves will just evaporate.&lt;br /&gt;
* Not too much urine should be distributed at once. Better to distribute smaller amounts several times during the growth period.&lt;br /&gt;
* Directly after distributing the urine a second pass with fresh water flushes the ammonia a few centimeters into the soil, where it is protected from evaporation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
An alternative strategy is to dilute the urine 1:10 or 1:20 with fresh&lt;br /&gt;
water and use this for watering the plants regularly - but not every &lt;br /&gt;
day. Always watering with 1:20 would be way too much and lead to&lt;br /&gt;
fertilizer poisoning. (Unless it rains a lot and little watering is&lt;br /&gt;
actually needed.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Generally fertilizers shouldn&amp;#039;t be applied shortly before strong&lt;br /&gt;
rain, because the rain would just wash the nutrients away before the&lt;br /&gt;
soil can store them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also applying fertilizers in the last few weeks before the harvest&lt;br /&gt;
probably is pointless, unless one wants to prepare the soil for the&lt;br /&gt;
next crop already.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Lambda</name></author>
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